Okay, all excessive and long term spectators have been removed from our server and we're ready to be ranked again.

Please watch our server and you will see only 2 or three stay logged in all the time.

Thank you for your time and reconsideration.

Respects,
-Bones

Hi,

I watched your server for at least a week after you PM'ed me, yet you never actually removed them. Currently, it also appears that they may still be there. I will not be able to rerank it until I can confirm they are gone.

You could have PM'ed me back 13 days ago or at least 6 days ago and saved me from making this post and saved you the time it took to respond...

I DID indeed remove the extra spectators.

The extra spectators are not there.

We only have 2 or 3 that MIGHT stay in longer than 24 hours at a time, maybe.

(Like you said was permissible.)

The other spectators do not stay, they play, they spec, they log out, they come back, they play, they spec, they log out, etc...

I cannot control the amount of spectators I have during a 24 hour period.

I CAN, however, control the amount of time a spectator stays in spec.

Which I have done.

I'm starting to think that you are making this personal.

Hi,

You appear to have approximately 5-6 idlers at the present time.

Also, this is not personal. If a server qualifies to be deranked, we keep it deranked - we uniformly apply the same rules to each and every server. We will not make exceptions for you and you only so you can abuse the ranking system while others cannot.

So what you're telling me now is that there cannot be more than 2 or 3 "idlers" at all times?

Hi,

We have always allowed a small number of bots / idlers, such as 2-3, without deranking that server as it is too common for things like HLTV bots. In fairness, if we deranked for any undetected bots/idlers we would have to derank far too many servers that fit the profile of 1 bot. Servers such as yours, however, have more than that (as I mentioned, you seem to have approximately 6 right now). This has been mentioned to you previously.

Again, the rules regarding deranking servers is applied fairly and consistently. We do not derank servers out of spite or on the other hand, provide exceptions for servers we like.

so when there are visitors in our server we have to kick them and risk they wont come back to be ranked ?
you know your selfe thats imposible when you look at allot off clansservers that still are alive in sof2 , you see that they are dead ! we are 1 off a few servers that still are alive and you say we cant be ranked off spectators ? thats sad ,i think gametracker whants to loose sof2 or something thats where its going true when you guys keep it up like this .
when i look at the server list most off the servers that are still on game tracker have real bots in it and still they are ranked ..... so whats up with that ?
kind regards

-=[EV!L]=-Dan0

So, for instance, if we already have 2 or 3 spectators of our own and 2 or 3 players go to spectate because they don't like the map, then we don't qualify to be ranked because too many people happen to be in spec at that particular time...

They go to spectate because they don't want to leave the server and/or they don't want to play the next map.

So, instead of letting them go to spectate and wait for the next map or to have dinner or to defecate or for whatever reason they need to go to spec, you're saying we should kick them and/or ask them to leave the server so that only 2 or 3 people are in spec at one time...

Traffic is traffic, whether they're playing at the time or not.

We do NOT have fake players and any other player that might be idle, will more than likely NOT be idle later.

No player stays logged into our server without playing.

I'm not kicking anyone because they go to spec.

I'm not asking anyone to leave the server because they want to go to spec for a bit.

I'm not going to ask my members that pay for the server to leave because they need to defecate or to have dinner or to mow the lawn...

We have over 100 members in this dying game and if 5 want to spectate for a few hours, to have dinner, mow the lawn, whatever, I'm NOT going to tell them that they cannot.

We have more QUALITY traffic come to our server than any other server out there running this game.

We get high QUALITY traffic because players know that there is always someone watching over the server looking for hackers.

We WILL always have spectators keeping our high traffic server safe and hack free for our players.

If I have to buy more server slots for all of our members to connect and spectate at the same time, I will, without hesitation...

You cannot dictate to us how many people can spectate at one time.

These spectators are NOT "Fake". They may be 'Idle" but all servers have idle players.

Look at this server for instance.

*snip*

They always have "Idle" players they just are idle "in game" because they do not go to spec. They just sit "in game" all day long without playing and you don't do anything about that. They have a score of zero all day long...

As long as they don't go to spec, it's okay to be idle in game...

That is a fair and true statement you cannot deny.

Here are more links to more servers that have more than 2 or 3 "Fake" or "Idle" players OR with a score of zero that are being currently being ranked. (At the time of this post.)

*snip*

This just proves my point that you are indeed singling my server out from all the rest when you do nothing about the other servers that are blatantly disobeying your 2 or 3 "Fake" or "Idle" players law you set forth for all servers in order for them to be ranked.

It's either that or you're just not capable of doing your job properly by enforcing your rules on all servers.

Because you can't watch all servers, just the ones you single out...

Those servers with bots will be removed from gametracker.

Hi,

Thanks for the links to the other servers, but please post it in the thread for this and I will get to them as soon as I go through them next. We do not actually check each of the 125,000 servers on a regular basis and instead rely on users reporting them. Also, I have looked at a couple of those servers with bots and they are detected, so according to our rules we are not going to derank them since detected bots do not count towards rank. But again, post in the fake players/servers thread you posted in months ago and I will get to them and check them out soon.

I understand that you are very interested in your rank and would like it back; however, it is not fair for other server owners when you have a lot of players just sitting in the server just to sit in it. We have been over this a number of times and I am not quite sure how many times I should say it. One thing that would probably work, if the game supports it, is to set an auto-kick timer for 30 minutes if they are idle. This is MORE than enough time for anyone to take a break.

You currently now have over 10 idle players. You lied about removing them when you wanted to have your server reranked and you lied about why they are there just now. Some idle players are on for hours, sometimes over a day. It does not people that long to go to the bathroom or go in spectate for a round. WE DO NOT DERANK NORMAL SERVERS FOR HAVING SPECTATORS OR A FEW BOTS / IDLERS AS THIS IS COMMON FOR THINGS LIKE HLTV BOTS AND PEOPLE WHO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AS YOU SAID. We have been over this a number of times. I am not an idiot. I can see how long these players have been on your server and see that all of your typical idlers always have a large number of play time minutes with low scores (and often no scores at all).

Very few other servers have this issue. It is not your visitors coming in and idling. It is your team members. We cannot dictate how you run your server, no, but we do have the authority to make our server rankings fair for everyone.

Please refrain from bringing this topic up again or PM'ing me about it unless you actually stopped this on your server. I am closing this topic.